Ups and Downs

Well, this week was not so good on the toilet front and I'm beginning to feel as though I'm leading any of you readers out there on an up and down rollercoaster.  Really, I guess, all I can do is provide you with a week by week update of what's going on as unfortunately we do not have the resources to monitor hardness in the water. 

So this week, seemingly overnight really, all the toilet nastiness came back and then some.  I imagine some of you may be wondering what our evening habits are and though this is venturing on a "too much information" tangent, I think its important to understand that we haven't changed our nighttime-toilet-using patterns (yes we use it and no we don't flush.....we have a dual flush airplane style toilet that would wake the baby.....).

So, I'm not sure what happened but it progressively got worse over the week and unfortunately my husband felt compelled to clean it before I could take a photo of it in its worst state!

The other thing that went on was he made some beets and there was quite a bit of white residue, something he didn't notice the last time he made jam.....

I don't know why we are experiencing these ups and downs.....but I'll keep you posted!

 

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Since I'm seriously interested, I contacted Reid directly and got this reply. I thought I share it with you all. Due to lack of updates by the blog owners themselves...
Hope they bring the blog back alive with the new test.

Chris.
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Hi Chris,

Sorry for the stale blog. We really need to post some more recent stuff.

Anyways, the Filtersorb SP3 failed. It showed some signs of descaling in the beginning but then everything scaled back up and never got any better. I have since done more research into the product and spoken with many industries contacts. I now firmly believe that the Filtersorb product is a copycat and a hoax.

Here's what I mean. It is an attempted copy of a product called Scalestop by Next Filtration. They even copied their literature. I have spoken with virtually everybody involved in the Filtersorb product (it's not a big company) and nobody really knows how it works. This is because they copied it, and don't understand the underlying science, and because they did a bad job at copying it and it doesn't offer any long term solution.

Scalestop was certified by a German 3rd party laboratory called DVGW and they showed that it worked well. There are dozens of high profile commercial/industrial installations of the product where it has worked very well, and for a long period of time.

We are going to begin a trial of the Scalestop product at Tony and Carol's place in the next couple of months. I expect it will work well.

Reid

Next ScaleStop

OK, am looking into this...
http://www.softwateradvice.com/showthread.php?p=764
Sounds very promising!

Chris.

Next ScaleStop

More good news!
http://carolf.livejournal.com/16446.html
I'm getting exited!

Chris

A magnetic experiment!

In talking to my local Next ScaleStop dealer, it turned out that though the Next ScaleStop does work, one needs to replace the medium every 3-5 yrs. This makes it a more costly option than the conventional salt-ion exchange systems.

So I hummed and haaed and was still indecisive.
Then I stumbled over this site:
http://space-age.com/magwater/fta/
And this thread:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/87561-got-hard-water.htm...
I was intreaged!
And since the magnet seller does have a 90 days return policy, I figured it's worth a try!
So, the order is out the door and I'm waiting on the delivery.

So, what is my experiment?
I currently have a 12(+) yr old salt softener. Thus I do not expect much on pipe cleaning.
But I will put the system on bypass, when I get the magnets.
Our municipal well water has 24.2 grains of hardness and I'll have to see what other content is in it. My main concern is chlorine; I'll have to measure it and see if our current system still filters it out?

I'll follow-up when I get the magnets...

Chris in Georgetown.

Back Wash

In my researche for a salt free softener I have found that many units still need to back wash to fluff the media. Depending on the flow of incoming water though the medea up or down.

Chlorine...

Yes, I know the magnets won't touch Cl, but if the magnets work, then I need to find a solution for the Cl removal.
I read about a back washing carbon filter... I'm puzzled what there is to back wash?
My local dealer was suggesting an upflow carbon filter big enough for 10 yrs of filtering for around $800... but it would not (need to) back wash...

hummm, Chris.

Britta filters are way to cumbersome...

Uddate?

Hi,
Its been about 9 months since your last update. I'd really like to know if you are happy with the "softener". Has descaling continued? Do you get better lather/suds out of soap products (i.e. do you use less soap now)? Or have you given up the test? Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mark

Salt Less Softener Update?

Can you provide an update on the effectiveness of the salt less water softener?

Please post again

We have not heard from you about your experiment in several months. Please tell us what is going on now Feb. 2009. This is very inportant to me .

Any more recent comments or observations?

There is precious little information on these systems as far as I can find.... would be nice to get more info on your experiment. thanks

No longer available?

I'm also curious about an update.
But looking at the web site of the used equipment:
http://www.aquatell.com/us/salt-free-water-softeners .
It seems to have discontinued the Salt-free softener, since I can no-longer find it?!?

Please don't leave us here with a cliff hanger.
Is it still working or what?

Chris in Ontario.

effects on skin

I am also interested in salt free water conditioning system but mainly from health point of view. I read in many places that soft water improves eczema conditions of skin. I am curious if salt free system has the same effect on skin as traditional water softeners.
Can Tony and Carol comment on how the water feels on their skin. Does a soap and shampoo leather better?
Thanks for your input

Eva

What we need is three experiments under different conditions

The whole idea behind this experiment was to prove that the media works according the theory of the chemisty associated to the nanotechnology. The experiment has thus been unable to prove this beyond a reason of a doubt. There has been no measurements of the hardness of the water to prove that calcium ions are actually neutralized and the hardness of the water is actually lowered. Also, they say that there are minute traces of calcium, potassium, iron, and magnesium that are good for the body.

Personally, I would like to see three separate experiments done. Each would apply to a separate set of conditions. 1) Very old house, like this one, with old pipes that most likely have lead in them (might not if piping has been replaced but could have a very large scale build up). A house recently built say 10 - 15 years 3) A house where water is obtained from a ground well.

The media has very specific conditions under which it must work. I can not remember exactly but maybe our civil engineer can help with the design of these separate experiments.

1) The water would have to be sampled and sent to a lab. The results would provide the
information needed to set up the necessary prefilters ie iron, chlorine, etc. From this the correct
filters would be chosen.

2) An understanding of how the media works. I understand that as the media starts to work, the
hardness of the water starts to increase in value as the cleaning of the pipes occurs.

3) Next Filtration has made a claim that the Filtersorb SP 3 media only works temporarily due to a
drop in the PH. ( A measure of the water hardness at Tony and Carol's would be able to tell us
whether this is the case as it has been installed since September08.)

4) All the conditions need to monitored and measured for water hardness in a scientific manner.
under the various conditions mentioned above. I have to be above to see through some measured
and controlled experiment that the media does what the company says it does.

5) In these times of economic weakness most people want to make sure that something that is new
to the market actually works before purchasing it. In the case od the conventional water softener it
has a proven track record. Spending $1200 CAD and finding out it does not work makes most
people quite leary about spending that kind of money.

6) I have another concern, say the media actually does work and the tank springs a leak and the
media neeeds to be removed and exposed to air to change the tank. Once the media has been
exposed to air after working in the water that would create oxides and nitrides that would render
the coagulate ineffective once put back in the water.

These are things that the general public that has more than an inquing mind need to know before
making a purchase. I believe we have enough knowledge present here to be able to revise a
series of experments and take this to the next level. I have come to the conclusion that CWG
believe that they have a product that figure everyone will jump at and purchase just by explaining
how the chemistry works. It would be nice if the particpated in setting up the methodology and
measurements of experiments under the various conditions mentioned above. The marketing
aspect would take care of itself more or less through word of mouth.

Comments and opinions are welcome. I believe that this is a viable product but would like some
some further proof as explained above.

Richard Scott

(r.scott000@sympatico.ca) if anyone would like to help me create te situation to take
this to the next level

C W G

I work for a small county in kansas and we would like to know these things work before we try it. If you have any good evidence that they are wortwhile please e mail me @ bcobb@jfcountyks.com

Eczema and water softeners

Eva, if you are wanting to try a water softener to improve eczema, I would go with a proven softening method: the ion exchange process. I work for Kinetico and we have many clients that have seen an improvement in their eczema condition with a water softener. However, in our industry, the effectiveness of a salt-free system doing the job it is designed for (removing calcium and magnesium) is debatable, let alone offering any add'l benefits.

The best salt-free water softener option is to use potassium. An ion-exchange softener is still the best scientifically proven method and potassium offers an alternative to salt for those concerned about sodium intake. Do your research before you purchase anything though. Consult your local BBB, Water Quality Association, and ensure the company is registered, licensed and bonded. Consider reputable companies that have been around for decades such as Kinetico (www.kineticoaz.com) and Culligan (www.culligan.com).

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